knopflerbruce Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 I think a decision will come soon, a day or two tops.
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 9, 2012 Crew Posted October 9, 2012 that was said a few days back too D-Day was last monday not ?
rbuass Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 According the reason of the thread, decision to ban 1 month because a mistake upload screenshot. "why a overclocker that has lots of 7 Ghz chips, cheat or steal results to get a lit lit bit of points". So... I keep don't understanding...if they had lots of binned chips, why run benchmark ilegal way? I prefer to wait hwbot decision.... HWBOT that has already proven enough skill to judge this kind of cases..and John only can be penalized if was proved. No worries guys...and no hurry
BeepBeep2 Posted October 9, 2012 Posted October 9, 2012 Well, let's make sure to backup all John Lam's screens if he is penalized, wouldn't want the screens being submitted later under a new person's name with slightly different scores. I don't see why people feel the need to cheat.
michaelrw Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 I don't see why people feel the need to cheat. it's very, very sad. imagine what kind of person they are in real life if they have to cheat online. no morals, no values, no integrity. weak human beings.
der8auer Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Well you guys can go to JL's profile and see the decision. Think we don't need to explain the reason
l0ud_sil3nc3 Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Well you guys can go to JL's profile and see the decision. Think we don't need to explain the reason Awesome work staff!
uncle fester Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 massman found his balls of steel WINNING
Christian Ney Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Sorry for the delay, you have to understand that investigating takes time and also contacting users that aren't in the same zone. Decision has been now taken, if the users involved want to question this decision and provide solid proof of innocence or any explanations for the abnormal scores they have the right to do so.
rbuass Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) How about this thread? http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57638 Edited October 10, 2012 by rbuass
der8auer Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 How about this thread? http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=57638 Massman is already getting in contact with ASRock
slamms Posted October 10, 2012 Author Posted October 10, 2012 Good job slamms ! Viss, I do not see the merit here, I did not like to start this topic, but apparently, after the first bell, John decided that he can do anything without punishment.
Eeky NoX Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Massman is already getting in contact with ASRock Good to know @Slamms: maybe I'm wrong but I feel that he didn't know the issues/consequences... not sure if a bugged score makes the entire scores of a member to be instantly/indisputably false or cheat. Edited October 10, 2012 by Eeky NoX
dumo Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Peep is a moron if he didn't know....especially if he is an experienced bencher. I fxxxin' hate peep who use any means necessary to win:(
Eeky NoX Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 Agree, I do too Dumo But another part of the world, another culture. Many things are hidden in this story and people involved in this are'nt those it seems to be
Guest battlecryawesome Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Agree, I do too Dumo But another part of the world, another culture. Many things are hidden in this story and people involved in this are'nt those it seems to be What? lol
uncle fester Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Good to know @Slamms: maybe I'm wrong but I feel that he didn't know the issues/consequences... not sure if a bugged score makes the entire scores of a member to be instantly/indisputably false or cheat. You are wrong. The guy is a fuck head and was well aware.
rbuass Posted October 13, 2012 Posted October 13, 2012 If Splave don't buy his CPU, I want to be the next.....lol
M.Beier Posted October 14, 2012 Posted October 14, 2012 You guys; Im signed up for the CPUs, lol. Peep is a moron if he didn't know....especially if he is an experienced bencher. I fxxxin' hate peep who use any means necessary to win:( Life is too short for hating.... I still have my doubts that J.Lam cheated, frankly, I dont think he did - but, as I told him, I think he should be more careful with submitting, and experimenting, the ethics on what is allowed and not allowed, is far from mine "better safe than sorry" is not the approach of John Lam, he is alternating as much as possible, as long as it is not banned/disallowed, while I think it is best to verify that it is allowed before doing it.... He has the hardware, he has the knowledge, he should be better at asking himself "how will this be received by others"... SF3D helped enabling LOD (if I am not mistaking, please, dont get pissed if I am wrong), this could easily have been considered cheating, but it was commonly accepted.... FUGGER pushed it a 'little' further, this was cheating... John Lam is just like both, seeking what nobody else does for tweak.... I do not think John Lam does it to be 'bad' or because he does not care, I simply just think he tends not to think how the rest of the community will see the new 'tweak' or 'cheat'... - But somehow, I have a bit hard time considering John Lam the 'bad guy' there is so much corruption on hwbot, all of staff knows it but cant prove shit, so it is accepted.... Even some of the most respected members of the community condole what is considered cheating by hwbot..... If anyone have doubts what I mean, I dont believe that nobody else related to ASUS is involved with the scores submitted with no#1 in pro league - sure, im just a naive moron who is full of shit - its all legit... My 5 cents PS: I am not a fan of the brand eVGA, but I think Kingpin is the #1 in pro league, who is 100% against cheat, and would not do everything to be on top of things.
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 14, 2012 Crew Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) There's always the edge Marc, either decide to go over it or stop in due time... this software fooling around is taking overclocking one step beyond in my book... Even if his tweak is/was legit, I still have got no explenations why the screenshots were sooo bugged. We all had some app doign weird stuff, but changing a computation which should be 8 secs slower, that's overdoing it... Also the maths from Sam proove explain why it close to impossible to achieve that score. Compare screenshot one with a CPU running over 60MHz faster then screenie 2. Yet exact same final score.. That can't be right, can it ? If it was a non bugged score, he should be even faster then, not ? My view: John has the hardware and skills for sure... Why not play accordingly ? It's an OPB revival to me... let's sum it up as the evil GREED thing, which is part of us all... It's a shame that stuff like this is stil happening... even with the big boys... Edited October 14, 2012 by Leeghoofd
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