yosarianilives Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 I'm fine with whatever we decide on as the best cpus are still squarely deneb cores. But it may be a good idea to say k10 4 cores or something like that so people can compete on basically any am3 quad core to up participation. If not like I said I don't think it will affect anything I'm doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 5, 2019 Crew Share Posted November 5, 2019 This was one of the reasons I choose Deneb (6M), however it seems some CPUs are not in the right category. I can't fix the Database right now, how about allowing all Denebs, but no unlocking of the cores. Is that a fair proposal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said: but no unlocking of the cores. Devils advocate here, what about unlocking cache? Denebs with 4m cache can be unlocked to 6m and denebs with no l3 can sometimes unlock l3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 5, 2019 Crew Share Posted November 5, 2019 no problem with Cache unlock, does the cpu name stay the same or changes too ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObscureParadox_3XS Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 CPU will probably change name to something weird because it;s the same process as unlocking cores. But proposal seems fair. Just thought I'd bring it up since I noticed it when looking through my tray of chips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Leeghoofd said: no problem with Cache unlock, does the cpu name stay the same or changes too ? 10 minutes ago, ObscureParadox said: CPU will probably change name to something weird because it;s the same process as unlocking cores. But proposal seems fair. Just thought I'd bring it up since I noticed it when looking through my tray of chips Seems to not change, at least on the chip I unlocked cache for during TC dogpile https://hwbot.org/submission/4246059_yosarianilives_3dmark11_physics_phenom_ii_x4_810_4916_points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Strunkenbold Posted November 5, 2019 Crew Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, ObscureParadox said: @Leeghoofd I'm going to be shooting myself in the foot here, but on the Deneb stage, as it stands the Phenom II X4 800's are currently listed as Deneb on the HWBot database when in reality they're actually Propus cores. Can I suggest removing them from the stage if possible. I don't think anyone has submitted with one yet but that's the only 4core Phenom CPU I currently own which is why I went to double check on here. is it @Strunkenbold who is currently maintaining the database? I'm not sure. Edit : Sorry to clarify, they are Deneb cores, but they're nerfed down with the L3 disabled which technically makes them a propus core. I suppose it's the same rule that applies to not allowing unlocked Athlon II X4's? Sorry to open a can of worms and complicate things. Ok I just checked cpu-world and saw that the 840 and 850 are indeed Propus and need to get fixed in the db. Thanks for the hint! But the rest of the 800 series has a L3 cache and are Deneb. I never understand why we make such restrictions though. I mean you can basically make a Deneb from all lower bin 45nm K10 chips. Why not allow them all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bones Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Only simple solution would be to disallow any unlocking of anything - Which is to say either it's a true Deneb by name or it's not. Personally I'd love to run my 555 BE but by just saying no unlocking allowed would make things alot easier to know and resolve any "Can I use this" questions, would also make moderation alot easier too since the line of what is and isn't allowed is readily defined that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaRtA Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Rig pics required for all subs yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjaust Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Leeghoofd said: This was one of the reasons I choose Deneb (6M), however it seems some CPUs are not in the right category. I can't fix the Database right now, how about allowing all Denebs, but no unlocking of the cores. Is that a fair proposal? I think along with Deneb the unlockable heka and callisto named cores should also be allowed because when unlocked they are full quad cores with 6MB L3. Edit: maybe allow unlocked propus as well if it's lucky enough to get full functioning L3. Edited November 6, 2019 by cbjaust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unityofsaints Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 There are plenty of native quad Denebs. Why complicate things with unlocking? Hard to know what's actually being run with CPU-Z name mangling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraRaptor Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 One score per user or I can submit multiple results for i.e. s775 stage with different cpus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzie Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 i see problems coming in this unlocked cpu situation if allowed ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 6, 2019 Crew Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TerraRaptor said: One score per user or I can submit multiple results for i.e. s775 stage with different cpus? One per user sir For the unlocking part as long as we have maximum 4 cores and CPUZ/HWBOT picks it up as Deneb I'm fine with it Edited November 6, 2019 by Leeghoofd 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 For stage 14 I feel like it has been answered but I can't seem to find where, do workstation cards like radeon pro duo (fiji/polaris) count as server hardware? I think they do but obviously if they don't that would make a big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbjaust Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 fiji and polaris are not allowed. the rules for stage 14 as of now: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 7, 2019 Crew Share Posted November 7, 2019 I added it to the rules, atm we are busy with the double account thingy to figure out what happened there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e_junkie Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Hey, what's the matter with you guys? An AMD Pro Duo (Fiji) has games graphics drivers and costs only half the money of a Titan Z. This is really unfair to lock out the Pro Duo (Fiji) every year, even though it was mostly bought by players, since it is only a double Fury X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewlayle Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Not to mention it reduces the number of viable cards for Stage 14 to barely enough to cover it at all. And that's only if you're lucky enough to even find half the viable models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e_junkie Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 A Xeon for Stage 1 is also allowed and there is much more hardware. Don't understand the reason? Especially for Stage 14. What about a Vega Frontier? It also has games graphics drivers. Am I not allowed to run them in Crossfire with a Vega 64 in Stage 9? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TASOS Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 That stage 14 , is a bit tough. Dual gpu's (old gen included) are limited. The ultra preset , makes the choices even less ... and you need modern and pricey or rare staff Excluding the proffesional vga's , is somehow expected , but does not solve anything tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crew Leeghoofd Posted November 7, 2019 Crew Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) K i'll open up again , but the first that nags about why is this card being allowed is getting a ban you need only 4 dual GPU cards, 590, 690, 6990, 7990 also can run it right? Issue is that most look for the best performant setup, usually its more about getting the scores done , than have 2 high scores and 2 missing subs. It's Country Cup right? Edited November 7, 2019 by Leeghoofd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosarianilives Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Even HD 6990, 5970 can run it, although probably not very well. The real question is once we open up server/workstation cards does that also allow xeons as well? I know that 3175x isn't the way to go for AMD but in theory someone with titan z may want to give it a try? Edited November 7, 2019 by yosarianilives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewlayle Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 @Leeghoofdyoure right, 5970, 6990, 590, 690, 760 Mars can theoretically run Stage 14, but they're completely crippled by VRAM. It's just not a lot of fun benching those cards when no amount of OC will save them from starving on memory Plus, seeing something a little more exotic like a Pro Duo in the charts is just neat by itself. I'd make the distinction like ejunkie said, if the company supports it as a gaming/consumer card, it should be allowed as such. Something like Xeons are explicitly classified as server/WS parts by their respective makers, so they wouldn't be allowed still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ground Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, yosarianilives said: Even HD 6990, 5970 can run it, although probably not very well. The real question is once we open up server/workstation cards does that also allow xeons as well? I know that 3175x isn't the way to go for AMD but in theory someone with titan z may want to give it a try? Its limited to 4 cores... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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