HWBOT Team Cup 2017 Discussion

[Dead Things]

I did something dumb. I validated both a BCLK cvf file and Mem freq cvf file from the same rig. Now only the BCLK valid is available since the CPU speed was slightly higher for that one, and I can't figure out how to validate the Mem freq file separately. Anybody know what I can do to get both to show online? Or at least just the Mem freq file? Thanks in advance!

[I.nfraR.ed]

You should wait, but I don't know what is the period set on the site. Just try again after a while, maybe tomorrow - it should validate.

[TaPaKaH]

It usually won't. When you upload your BCLK file, the system will detect that this file has already been validated and link you to your CPU speed validation. I've lost way too many scores this way recently.

[I.nfraR.ed]

Hmm, maybe things have changed, but I remember it was working this way, because it happened to me as well in the past.

But I haven't validated anything for quite some time. Maybe my memories have faded away, don't know.

[Dead Things]

Thanks for the input guys - I just redid the Mem freq sub with a higher multi so it would take precedence over the BCLK sub... But it would be good to know if I'm blocked forever from validating a BLCK score with this rig (or not).

[TaPaKaH]

From my experience, the initial timeout is somewhere around 15 minutes. But I've noticed that the more results you validate within a short timeframe, the higher the timeout. Sometimes I had the validator merge two scores that were validated 6 hours apart.

[Noxinite]

Uploading without an email and by a differemt person/IP/whatever seemed to work.

[Dead Things]

Sorry, another question...

 

Since we had trouble with the Radeon HD 6000 Stage:

I changed the limitation to specific GPU Cores, means you should be able to submit with Radeon HD 69xx, 69xxM, HD 68xx and HD68xxM cards. Thats still not the whole HD 6000 series but at least a lot closer.

Let me know if it works.

 

Possible to add HD6670 (Turks XT) to Stage 4.5? I know it won't be highly competitive, but my team is small and we don't have a tonne of hardware.

[Strunkenbold]

Sorry, another question...

 

 

 

Possible to add HD6670 (Turks XT) to Stage 4.5? I know it won't be highly competitive, but my team is small and we don't have a tonne of hardware.

 

The problem is that the Turks GPU was used also in Radeon HD 7000 and 8000 series . So allowing Turks XT would mean I allow them too.

Im not very happy about the situation but I cant do this. I hope your team can find a cheap card till the end of the comp.

[Dead Things]

Yeah, I understand classifying the AMD cards can be tricky. Thanks anyway!

[ObscureParadox]

I can't seem to find the rule about it anymore, I know its a general rule but does an unlocked 6950 class as say a 6970 or do we put it with the 6970 rankings?

 

Just trying to figure out which card I need to purchase

[Leeghoofd]

I can't seem to find the rule about it anymore, I know its a general rule but does an unlocked 6950 class as say a 6970 or do we put it with the 6970 rankings?

 

Just trying to figure out which card I need to purchase

 

It is allowed to unlock the shaders of the 6950 cards, as the device ID stays the same it counts as a 6950 card.

 

A tip: don't buy a 1GB model as I did, they don't unlock!!!

[havli]

At least one of them does unlock havli`s 3DMark Vantage - Performance score: 24297 marks with a Radeon HD 6950 Or GPU-Z claims it is unlocked. I've already bought it like this and didn't test how it performs with stock bios.

 

Anyway 1GB models are indeed rare to unlock, so 2GB are better choice.

[websmile]

I can't seem to find the rule about it anymore, I know its a general rule but does an unlocked 6950 class as say a 6970 or do we put it with the 6970 rankings?

 

Just trying to figure out which card I need to purchase

 

For everyone who wants to bookmark the info, it is general rules 3.2 chapter D

HWBOT General Rules and Guidelines

[ObscureParadox]

Thanks guys

[GtiJason]

For everyone who wants to bookmark the info, it is general rules 3.2 chapter D

HWBOT General Rules and Guidelines

 

Went for a peek of this rule and noticed in 3.1 B Offences and Penalties

 

"Score edit User ban User edits or adds ad hoc the mandatory information in a benchmark verification screenshot (update: Jan 17, 2013)"

 

Not sure what "ad hoc" is supposed to mean ?

 

Also in 1.1 – LEAGUE PARTICIPATION RULES, I see no Apprentice is this no longer a thing ?

 

Elite: access to industry support

Extreme: hobbyist extreme overclocker

Enthusiast: ambient cooling, registered >1y

Novice: ambient cooling, registered >3m

Rookie: ambient cooling, registered <3m

[websmile]

Ad hoc means it is not planned and usually a one time issue- no one plans to mess up a screenshot of a legit result so that he is tempted to add missing info.

Apprentice is still missing because we forgot to add it there as well, it is youngest league

[GtiJason]

Apprentice is still missing because we forgot to add it there as well, it is youngest league

 

Ah, apprentice sounds like it belongs below enthusiast. I like this

 

Elite: access to industry support

Extreme: hobbyist extreme overclocker

Specialist: specialized cooling such as phase, tec or chiller

Enthusiast: ambient cooling, registered >1y

Novice: ambient cooling, registered >3m

Rookie: ambient cooling, registered <3m

[Mr.Scott]

Ah, apprentice sounds like it belongs below enthusiast. I like this

 

Elite: access to industry support

Extreme: hobbyist extreme overclocker

Specialist: specialized cooling such as phase, tec or chiller

Enthusiast: ambient cooling, registered >1y

Novice: ambient cooling, registered >3m

Rookie: ambient cooling, registered <3m

 

lol

This has been discussed before.

I proposed Journeyman over apprentice a long time ago.

[GtiJason]

I know this my friend, just saw an opportunity and ran with it

[websmile]

Update

 

After we checked all results and rediscussed the availability on hardware at competetion start, we decided to rule out x299 for the team cup. We are all aware of the fact that this was mainly a paper lauch, even today availability at some regions is bad, so we play it safe.

X299 results will not count to the team cup, we have only one now btw that would be legit. Sorry for the inconvenience

[WhiteWulfe]

Update

 

After we checked all results and rediscussed the availability on hardware at competetion start, we decided to rule out x299 for the team cup. We are all aware of the fact that this was mainly a paper lauch, even today availability at some regions is bad, so we play it safe.

X299 results will not count to the team cup, we have only one now btw that would be legit. Sorry for the inconvenience

 

Any particular reason why this change would be made six weeks into the competition when some people went out and purchased hardware specifically for this competition, and doubly so made sure to get a ruling on the hardware itself before?

 

Saying something along the lines of "yes, it can be used, up to ten cores is perfectly fine" and then a month later changing the ruling is going to rub some people the wrong way. Just because there are only a handful of submissions posted with it to the competition at the moment doesn't mean that some teams haven't been benching the platform, or wouldn't be and just haven't posted the submissions yet.

 

Making such a potent backtrack in rulings is bound to give off an impression that the HWBot staff could care less about the integrity of their own rulings, and that they don't care at all about fostering and growing the benching community. HWBot and OC eSports should be a platform that people are proud to be part of and support, not think "great, what will they change next, and how little time will we have to deal with it", which is still a widely held opinion about the two platforms by a decent number of benchers (look at the North America World Tour stop last year, where not even a week before the event was to start a ruling was made that no bdie would be allowed... One that had an insane amount of backlash since bdie had been available in Canada (and most markets in general) for over three months - it was changed back two days later... After a lot of benchers were forced to do crash panic purchases of e and d die dimms in order to be able to compete)

[websmile]

No idea about world tour - on the x299, I was strictly against allowing it anyway

1. After Intel´s paper launch we still have regions where cpus are not available, and what is even worse, a lot of boards are not available. Some guys in the staff are still believing in vendors and promises, and that a launch is a launch. Maybe next time they will be more realistic. Fact is Intel and vendors bunnyed a lot of stuff up by making paper launch, sending out dozens of samples but you cannot buy the models they send out as samples even in big markets like europe.

2. X299 cpus without delidding are useless if you want to max them out. Delid tools are not widely available which provides another problem.

3. I have big doubts that someone buys an expensive new gen platform for team cup only, so don´t tell me you spend 2k or whatever to throw the hardware away after the cup is over...

 

P.S. You can easily believe all of us would prefer it to be different, but we have to react when we see something goes utterly wrong

Edited August 11, 2017 by websmile

[xxbassplayerxx]

1. Paper launches are nothing new. Make a ruling at the beginning of the competition and stick with it. Don't rely on promises... rely on facts. Can people in most major markets buy the product? If not, don't allow it.

2. You can delid without tools... you're really reaching with this "point".

3. It may not be the only reason but it's a contributor.

 

I agree with Wulfe that the shuffling back and forth is very unprofessional and it's not new. It feels like the rules change halfway through almost every competition here.

[websmile]

I had a clear opinion on this, at 1st of july I was not able to buy any x299 CPU in germany. Sadly this was not taken in at the decision and we now pay the price for this. On the delidding - you killed an i7 iirc with razor, now you want to take the risk of killing a 1k cpu? Maybe others do not want to play hazard^^