Crew Leeghoofd Posted June 28, 2019 Crew Posted June 28, 2019 lo all, I did some testing yesterday to confirm the findings regarding XTU as there are way too many bugged outputs on the Bot. I tested a dozen of versions yesterday with the 9700K on H20 and Cascade on Windows 10 Findings: XTU performance is very inconsistent. Scoring 2900 one run, a rerun goes up to 3150. XTU performance output is too depending on the installed versions, as we already knew the 64Bit version 6.5.1.321 is easily outperforming any older versions. Till now no way to seperate them, Intel is working on it, but we loose too much time as 10K subs chime in weekly... The mix of 32 and 64 OS version requirements doesn't make things any easier It seems XTU loves Heat iso Cold, not being able to replicate a score done on H20 versus the setup under the cascade. Put the fans on low on the H20 setup and score even higher… sure... Especially the temperature issue is the last drop for me as headmoderator, Seriously if one overclocks and runs colder one achieves a lower score for the same processor speed. The Efficiency/MHz gets totally lost the colder one runs... I feel this point withdrawal is a thing that should have been done earlier, Sorry for those that will loose a heap of points but the current ranking doesn't reflect the true spirit of Overclocking. Fingers crossed that XTU 2.0 will be the next big thing… I've been a fan of XTU for quick stability testing, but the many bugs that slipped in over the years made it as one of the most unstable benchmarks we have implemented at HWBot. 16 7 1 Quote
Alex@ro Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Way to go, time to stop this non-sense. Too bad for so many hours to get that 742 743....Useless. 4 Quote
Guest Digg_de Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alex@ro said: Way to go, time to stop this non-sense. Too bad for so many hours to get that 742 743....Useless. Hehe yes, i remember. R.I.P. XTU Edited June 28, 2019 by Digg_de Quote
TerraRaptor Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Hope this will be done without major delay - been discussed for years already. 1 Quote
Guest Wasmachineman_NL Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 XTU is dogshit anyway because Intlel :^) Quote
bigblock990 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, richba5tard said: Disabling points? It's already done. Global and Hardware points are gone, but xtu subs still have team points. 2 Quote
mllrkllr88 Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Interesting find about the heat! We don't need this junk, nice work... 2 Quote
Bones Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Considering I never ran it I surely won't miss it. Good riddance. Need to disable entries and be done with it to help the database/servers - With all the subs still coming in I'm afraid it's gonna create a hot mess with the site once removed and the new version is implemented. I certainly hope not. Edited June 28, 2019 by Bones 2 Quote
Noxinite Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, bigblock990 said: Global and Hardware points are gone, but xtu subs still have team points. All benches with no global and no HW still get Team Points. This was never addressed properly last time it was mentioned, but it doesn't seem right. If the bench is too buggy for normal points then why should it get team points?? More on topic: I guess it's a shame as it is so popular and brought me into the benching community, buuuuuut it's so unstable and buggy it's dumb. So I think this was the right choice. Edited June 28, 2019 by Noxinite 1 Quote
Splave Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 kill it with fire, hope 2.0 is better but Im remaining very skeptical. Thanks leeg 2 Quote
Evasion Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Finally this CPU killer is going to hell, hope v2 will be less buggy and more fun. 1 Quote
GtiJason Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 No one could of seen this coming, give us time to process our emotions ? 2 Quote
bolc Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) guys, you never know on which leg to dance... "As newer versions of XTU do not produce a score which is on par with older versions, we are forced to take the hard decision to disable points for all XTU submissions. " for gpupi, i didn't see the results being removed, but 2 categories were made. i guess on big cpus (>6 c/12t), reruns can mean nothing and yield more inconsistencies, especially with high ram frequencies, but on 4c/8t or lower, as long as i can tell, results seemed very consistent on all ddr3 platforms from sandy to haswell. on ddr4, I don't know. imo, kill it for ddr4 but not for ddr3 or kill the new version or benching on new cpus Edited June 29, 2019 by bolc 1 1 1 Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted June 29, 2019 Author Crew Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) Even older mobile 4 cores get a boost with heat... It is totally uncontrolable... There's no code change in the save file since a long time.. So we can't differentiate the versions anymore like we can with gpupi... Edited June 29, 2019 by Leeghoofd 2 Quote
bolc Posted June 30, 2019 Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Leeghoofd said: Even older mobile 4 cores get a boost with heat... It is totally uncontrolable... There's no code change in the save file since a long time.. So we can't differentiate the versions anymore like we can with gpupi... okidokie. screenshot got mandatory at some point, oh yeah 1st of June. a teammate told me about a sub with missing screenshot that got removed. and that 64bit is not allowed (personally, always used the 32bit v6.4.1.12 since this version corrected a bug such that people could modify their score). June 01, 2019: limitation to 32 bit XTU version only, due to enhanced 64bit version being out. A verification screenshot is required for top 20 scores. older submissions with or without screenshots are still valid, right ? Edited June 30, 2019 by bolc 1 Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted June 30, 2019 Author Crew Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) yes however they will remain bointless... Edited June 30, 2019 by Leeghoofd 1 Quote
yosarianilives Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 Yesss! Let this pile of adware die already Quote
Papusan Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) New released Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU) Version: 6.5.1.355 (Latest) Date: 9/9/2019 I expect nothing will be changed. Edit. From the link... https://hwbot.org/newsflash/5130_xtu_to_be_disabled_for_points_until_further_notice "We will be working together with Intel to see whether a new version of XTU can solve these issues. Until then, points remain disabled." Has there been any progress? Edited September 12, 2019 by Papusan Quote
liq_met Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) Yes. Useless the benchmark. Hurray. Show possible sets for your memory only. In cpu-z all is. Test in Windows 10 uses another API, compare w/ Windows 7 and fast Windows 8.1 for more details. Edited September 12, 2019 by liq_met Quote
_mat_ Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 Quote Changes Fixed an issue where PL1/PL2 values were not being properly applied. No related changes at all. But there's a new XTU in the making and it's said that my analysis of vulnerabilities is taken into account to improve the bench. Quote
Crew Leeghoofd Posted October 1, 2019 Author Crew Posted October 1, 2019 Just got the word in that XTU 2.0 beta is up for grabs, maybe include it in the challengers for thorough testing by the community??? Quote
_mat_ Posted October 2, 2019 Posted October 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Leeghoofd said: Just got the word in that XTU 2.0 beta is up for grabs, maybe include it in the challengers for thorough testing by the community??? Can't find anything online. Any chance I can get a hand on this? Quote
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